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GREAT electrode attachment found. Do NOT try this at home. Small incident at the Labs

2010-04-12 06:37:16 (6017 views)

Small incident at the labs almost turned major. Let's go with order.

Just received the special neodymium magnets we ordered last week (1 square cm x 1mm thickness). They are strong. Very strong. Too strong. This is the HIGHEST grade neodymium that can be produced. They don't sell these in shops - you have to custom make them because at this strength they are brittle - in fact some broke in half being quite thin.

We compared them with the round magnets that David (rubber strap guy) supplied. The purpose for ordering these was to check if stronger magnets can make the conductive strip method viable.





Well - both types are very strong, except the ones we have produced have the same strength with half the thickness. The experiment did not yield any significant improvement, aside from the realization that having a small layer of just about anything between the magnets slashes their strength... The magnets David supplied are very strong, but because they don't make contact directly they don't stick very well. This is not the only problem with the conductive strips so - whatever.

Now for the substantial news. These magnets stick to solder. They can therefore be soldered on directly, before the heat has a chance to damage their magnetic properties.

Gotta watch out - as they tend to jump at you because the soldering iron's tip attracts them and you don't want to have molten solder on them when this happens.

We are proud to announce that with some tweaking, two neodymium magnets are perfect electrode attachments! One is connected directly to the wire going to the DL2000. The other one is on the other side to ensure contact. That's it. Simple, beautiful, rugged and functional. Especially good for people who have chastity devices completely enclosing the penis area because the attachment becomes very secure this way. But it's a great alternative for CBx000 devices as well. It requires no hole on the cage (which the CB6000 doesn't have).

As you can see, the stacked magnets in the picture are strong enough to stick across a finger, and of course the scrotum and frenum skin are much easier to pinch, being thinner. With magnets of this diameter only a little material is required on each side for proper contact under any circumstance (except if the wires are pulled with some serious strength).

Most likely the magnet diameter has to be larger - at least 1.5cm radius is needed to guarantee perfect contact and suppress the tingling feeling of current going through the skin, which arises when the contact point is too small.

Now to the incident, which happened because "someone" was dumb enough to test with TWO of the square magnets on each side of the frenum (about 0.5mm thickness skin there). Very easy and painless to put them on, almost impossible to get them off. Started cutting off circulation after a few seconds, removal was impossibly painful even with copious amounts of oil and various techniques. What didn't help is that the way they ended up sticking, skin went all the way through the magnets and formed a bulge on the other side, so sliding them off didn't work as the bulge got pinched tighter and tighter.

After a few aborted trials, started sweating profusely and realized this was a real emergency. Thought "a metal coin could give a larger contact point to pull" - but the coin only flew towards the magnets from an inch away hitting them with enough force to cause even more pain.

This is possibly a very new and very cruel torture device...

When the magnets are positioned, initially, they approach the contact point parallel to each other. So the pressure is applied homogeneously and spread out across the approximately 1 square centimeter of skin. However, because they stick together with such force, removal requires using one's fingernails to pull them apart - and by doing so necessarily one side of the magnet is raised first, which makes the full strength of the magnets end up pushing on a very tiny area on the other side. This is most likely too painful to accomplish and there's no choice but to give up. Removal is way, way more painful than any electric pulse coming from the DL2000.

Eventually a combination of mineral oil and panic did the trick, not sure exactly how. The magnets came off, but not before leaving a definite mark in the skin and even a tiny red dot.

The major scientific mistake here has been to neglect the fact that the strength of a magnet decays proportionally to the square of the distance! That means that if the magnets are pretty damn strong when they are a few millimeters apart, when they are 0.5 millimeters apart they will be mega-strong! The only reason they can be detached manually at all is that they can be made to slide. When sliding is not possible these things aren't coming off.

Well, nobody said opening up the male management sector was going to be pain-free - just imagine all the accidents that people had during the gold rush or when the first oil wells were dug :)

Bottom line: today we discovered that if you've got one soldered neodymium magnet on one side and another neodymium magnet on the other side, if they are about 1.5cm in radius or even better 2cm - and if you can find a balance between strength and discomfort, you've made yourself a perfect contact point that does not require any rubber or anything else! Dirt cheap and very, very effective.

How does this change our plans? Doesn't very much. If at all possible, we should offer two kinds of cables. The first kind has a thick copper core, which provides strength and stability. This type is ideal for mounting the DL2000 the usual way on a CBx000 device with metal electrodes. The other kind should have a small copper core so that it is a lot more flexible. This will be good for the magnet method, because most likely the cable has to make sharp turns or at any rate be flexible enough to reach the right spot and not pull because of its rigidity.

Comments

By 6KGuy at 2010-04-12 09:49:20 Reply
So, where are you saying to place the magnets? Does one go inside of the "cage" / tube of the CBXXXX or does one go on the underside of the cage and one on the BOTTOM of the scrotum to keep it in contact with the one on the cage? Are you saying to place them on the penis? Your picture with the finger suggests that, but I don't think that would solve the hole drilling problem.



I'm excited with the new prospect, but don't completely understand the logiistics of it.



By dreamloverlabs at 2010-04-12 09:51:55 Reply
4 magnets, two per location. Two go on the scrotum (one on each side) and two on the penis near the frenum.

This ensures good contact at all times between the cable and the skin. Just need to fine tune the magnets size and strength so that they don't pinch too hard and the contact is large enough for the current delivered.
By knightservant at 2010-04-12 10:55:53 Reply
You write "frenum skin". Are you taking circumsized members under consideration as well? Not everyone has foreskin....
By dreamloverlabs at 2010-04-12 10:59:05 Reply
Usually a circumsized penis still has enough skin to "pinch" in the frenum area especially considering the chastity device cage makes a full erection impossible
By johnsteed at 2010-04-12 11:51:52 Reply
By dreamloverlabs at 2010-04-12 12:00:45 Reply
Ouch ouch ouch! Graphic shots on that link!

Imagine your frenum caught between THOSE magnets!!!
By 6KGuy at 2010-04-12 13:03:48 Reply
Have the magnets been tried INSIDE of a CB6000?



I am wondering if with the magnets pinched onto your frenum skin if there are any issues with having the magnets inserted vertically in the cage....comfort wise. I mean....I'd think that if you even started to become erect, the vertical magnets would poke into the bottom of the penis and cause a lot of discomfort. I also wonder if there are any issues with the magnets pinching the skin and cutting off circulation and causing problems.



I think that you need to get another "test subject" too. LOL! :-)





By dreamloverlabs at 2010-04-12 13:25:26 Reply
Well the pinching happened because two magnets were used on each side, and they are the strongest possible magnet that can be manufactured :)



Switching to one on each side yielded another slightly painful but bearable experience, the magnets came off with some effort.



Going down to a N28 grade, possibly round, possibly covered in some rubber to prevent them getting too close and sticking like beasts, a bit thicker too so they won't split, will give entirely bearable results and good contact for both frenum and scrotum. They won't cut off circulation unless they are too big.



Not sure what you mean by vertical magnets inside the cage.



But feel free to experiment, these things are for sale everywhere including Europe and the US. They won't custom make them in your required size - but this doesn't matter anymore, as we've seen 1mm thickness isn't viable due to brittleness.
By johnsteed at 2010-04-12 17:18:36 Reply
I had the same "inside the CB6000" thought about "vertical" placement. Then I realized that the magnets would be "vertical" when you attach them, but then presumably would be able to flip over onto their side. I'm still not sure exactly how this would work out "in real life" but then again, having never tried the "old" attachment method (which required the hole in the CB6000, and also a not-yet-shipping DL2000), I'm not sure how that would work "in real life" either. As a definite grower vs. shower, there are times when I'm quite small inside the CB (any model; I've owned a CB-3000 as well until the pivot ring broke) and there are also time (particularly with the CB-6000) where I'm filling it completely and other times when the expression "filling it completely" doesn't even come close to the reality.
By 6KGuy at 2010-04-12 15:30:47 Reply
What I mean by vertical is this.



Without SEEING what you've done, I imagine 2 small magnets....let's say for the sake of argument that they are dimes. I assume that you've used something considerably smaller, but let's say dimes. In order for them to pinch the frenum skin, you're going to have to "clamp" the skin between the magnets. In order for this to happen, the magnets are not going to be able to lie flat in the bottom of the cage, they are going to have to stand up on the edge....like a dime standing on it's edge.....vertically...one on each side of the skin.



Since it's vertical instead of lying horizontally in the bottom of the cage, I assume there will be problems with it.



Hopefully I'm wrong. Have you tried it inside of a CBXXXX? Is there enough room? Does it cause any comfort issues?



Maybe you should look at some Chinese femdom porn while trying it. LOL!



By johnsteed at 2010-04-13 08:48:02 Reply
Again, see my first comment above. Yes, the "dimes" would need to be "vertical" when you attach them to the frenum. But once they're attached, theoretically, you then simply flip them on their side (twisting the bit of "caught" skin at a 90 degree angle). I'm not saying this solution is going to work well, but that's the concept.
By MarkSaffer at 2010-04-12 23:07:35 Reply
I can see how the magnets can be used to press against the skin where it needs to make contact. But wouldn't it be a lot simpler just to use the magnets as a way of attaching the electrodes to the to the CB? While this wouldn't use the magnets to press against the skin, presumably the fit inside the CB would take care of that.

By dreamloverlabs at 2010-04-13 00:08:25 Reply
That can probably be done as well - the problem is that the cage is not flat, and the stainless steel electrodes which are non-toxic aren't very magnetic at all. You can just buy some metal parts from a hardware store and some magnets and try it out - cables would need to be soldered directly (no ring terminal).
By johnsteed at 2010-04-13 08:56:31 Reply
I was thinking this same thing and was going to make a similar post myself -- and then I see someone's beaten me to it.



Here's my point: long-term use would be a problem with the frenum trapped between two magnets, I think. It is possible to be locked in the CB-x000 series for long periods of time. Since there is a small degree of movement possible in all directions, it is possible to shower and keep everything clean; no flesh is permanently prevented from fresh air and water. That would not be the case with two magnets pressing together through the flesh of the frenum locked inside a CB-x000. That tiny bit of flesh would get no air or be able to be washed for the entire duration. That seems like it would be a problem. Might even cause necrosis; not sure as I'm not a doctor.



Originally (a long time ago, in a set of forums now far away) I thought that magnet attachment was being considered simply as a replacement for drilling a hole in the CB-6000. But I can see how the curvature of the CB surface might preclude this. Sadly, it would seem for long term use, we may be back to drilling a hole in the CB-6000.
By dreamloverlabs at 2010-04-13 10:02:01 Reply
Tissue doesn't die by simply not being exposed to air externally. Oxygen is carried by the blood. The magnets shouldn't press too hard and they shouldn't block circulation.



Instead of using weak magnets, it seems the best solution is to use strong ones and cover them with a layer or rubber. This makes sure they are comfortable. The rubber could even be porous.



About using magnets on each side of the CB6000 - this should be possible. We're getting more magnets (a big bigger and lower grade) and will test.
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