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Final word on the community and web portal

2010-10-29 08:32:00 (6913 views)

The outcome of the past few days of discussions is:

a) let's keep this as simple as possible
b) allow people to remain completely private

So in the interest of simplicity, there are only two cases.

PRIVATE vs PEDIGREE USERS

Either you want to stay private, in which case NO data is uploaded onto the server, or you want to go public and gain recognition, in which case you must enter the Pedigree Program and accept accountability. The Pedigree Program will have a minimal extra charge (ex a few $ a month), and the product will include the first few months to a year of optional membership.

So public disclosure without accountability will no longer be allowed!

IN DETAIL

The device starts out in private mode. That means:

- you can use any username/password to log in with the device and get someone to administer you

- your username is unlisted, and you aren't asked to create a profile beyond what you're already using for the blog/forums

- administrators have to type your username in directly, because you're not visible

- if you take any courses the score is automatically discarded

- you aren't able to upload presets or store stuff of any sort

Then, you can choose to optionally but irrevocably enter the Pedigree Program. In which case:

- you lock a username into a hardware ID, can't use other usernames with that device any longer

- your username is listed, along with a profile which you can fill out to your liking

- your course data is stored and public

- your "revoke ownership" actions and "panic button" activations are stored and public

- people can't see who previous owners were but they can see whether you're abusing the "revoke ownership" feature.

COMMON NOTES

In either case,

- administrators can be assigned and revoked with no consequences

- administrators have only 2 types of permissions: basic and full. With basic the person can activate pulses, timers, silent commands and the call function. With full they can use leash mode, dog mode, and all the extra goodies

- this will probably be replicated for the remote (dummy mode to restrict to basic functions)

- the difference between electing an assignee owner and choosing an administrator is that in the first case the owner loses right to self-administer even locally.

Also in either case and by technical necessity, whether you are private or not, the following data will be stored on our servers to make the system work.

- male user information (username, password)
- device ownership (username, password to access the customization features, can be same as above or a female user's)
- any administrators chosen
- additionally the uplink application must ping periodically to transfer data and online status (we'll make sure this is as obscure as possible to potential net admins).

Comments

By Lance_Lake at 2010-10-29 09:36:35 Reply
*sigh*

So, I'd appreciate some clarifications please.

1) So once you go public and perhaps pick up someone who wants to own you, you can't go back to being private?

2) I understand the whole FemDomme is superior thing, but lately, there seems to be some MAJOR reshifting of focus from creating a device to help with relationships to only females have any real input (the Education Committee for example). That's pretty bad. What if I'm bi-sexual and have a male submissive. I'm not allowed to help shape courses for him that may help women as well? Because I have testicles, I'm unable to provide input into how things progress? Really?

3) It just seems like you are cutting out about half your market when only females can own males. Considering you want to bootstrap yourself, within the last month or so, you seem to be doing things that are alienating people. Why?

4) Any word on a ballpark for the price? How about the monthly service fee?

3)

By dreamloverlabs at 2010-10-29 10:16:28 Reply
Hey Lance.

1. You can assign an owner without entering the Pedigree Program. The program is for disclosure and accountability - it has nothing to do with whether you have an owner or not.

2. Males creating their own courses to auto-train is a contradiction in terms and will result in courses that have no real use in a female led relationship. We value everyone's input but which topics specifically get included are best chosen by a female panel if we can put one together. We think that even our male audience will appreciate our extra effort in making the contents a bit more "genuine".

3. True. We're a Femdom company not a generic e-learning company. Information will be provided to create your own courses so if you want to use the device in any other context you're free to do so as an individual or a company! What we provide as DreamLover Labs will be oriented towards female led relationships.

4. You picked the wrong time... right now we're figuring out import duties, international taxes, accounting and reporting burdens, this is way more complex than you probably imagine and we're on the phone regularly until 3am with customs brokers, fulfillment houses, attorneys and accountants. We're not in a position to tell you a final price AT ALL given the uncertainties which have arisen.

It will probably be like this until very shortly before launch. Even then there may not be a fixed price but some sort of preliminary collaborative effort to determine the unknown demand curve for a product like ours. Even after that price will be changing as we bootstrap and increase our order quantities and component costs decrease. Even if the price is within your reach there may be wait times until we get production running with decent quantities.

You seem to be pretty discontented about the way we're handling things (it's been this way for a while too), so while we listen and appreciate your input and questions and you've been following us for a long time, we're really busy making things come true on this side so may we suggest you rely on the notification list to be notified about product launch and pricing announcements, just to make this easier on your nerves.

We're all doing this with a positive attitude and a lot of hope things will turn out for the best. No point in letting the last few weeks of waiting ruin your day now is there.
By lance_lake at 2010-10-29 11:31:00 Reply
>1. You can assign an owner without entering the Pedigree Program. The program is for disclosure and accountability - it has nothing to do with whether you have an owner or not.

The thing I was wondering is.. What if I pick up an Owner and she wants me out of the program (to basically become private). It sounded like this wouldn't be possible.

>2. Males creating their own courses to auto-train is a contradiction in terms and will result in courses that have no real use in a female led relationship. We value everyone's input but which topics specifically get included are best chosen by a female panel if we can put one together. We think that even our male audience will appreciate our extra effort in making the contents a bit more "genuine".

Fair enough.

>3. True. We're a Femdom company not a generic e-learning company. Information will be provided to create your own courses so if you want to use the device in any other context you're free to do so as an individual or a company! What we provide as DreamLover Labs will be oriented towards female led relationships.

Ok. If that's the way you want to go, cool. Just seems like you would want to appeal to the widest audience that you could (and leave it up to them if they want Domme or a Dom to be the one in charge.

But hey. It's your company. :)

>4. You picked the wrong time... right now we're figuring out import duties, international taxes, accounting and reporting burdens, this is way more complex than you probably imagine and we're on the phone regularly until 3am with customs brokers, fulfillment houses, attorneys and accountants. We're not in a position to tell you a final price AT ALL given the uncertainties which have arisen.

I don't think I ever asked for a final price.

>You seem to be pretty discontented about the way we're handling things (it's been this way for a while too), so while we listen and appreciate your input and questions and you've been following us for a long time, we're really busy making things come true on this side so may we suggest you rely on the notification list to be notified about product launch and pricing announcements, just to make this easier on your nerves.

Message received. I'll stay away from the blog and forums.
By dreamloverlabs at 2010-10-29 12:14:16 Reply
> Message received. I'll stay away from the blog and forums.

Oh come on don't say it like that. We're not asking you to leave or anything, you're more than welcome to stay, just, it seems you're really anxious about it so... just a suggestion. Up to you. You'll be notified when any major pricing/availability change occurs. Anyway thanks for your input so far.
By Lance_Lake at 2010-10-29 09:38:22 Reply
Also, just noticed that if my Owner is male, he has to create a female account to control the device?
By dreamloverlabs at 2010-10-29 10:17:36 Reply
No, ownership can be tied to a male account. Tying it to a female account is for real life female dominant relationships where the male will not be given local access to the admin screen - ever.
By lance_lake at 2010-10-29 11:23:55 Reply
Ok. I saw "device ownership (username, password to access the customization features, can be same as above or a female user's)"

and read it as ONLY female users.
By Henry at 2010-10-29 09:50:04 Reply
I'm glad to see this decision as "Private" and "Pedigree" are two quite different user groups. The web-based stuff might require a fair bit of effort and it's almost a separate side-business. So I think it's a very sensible choice to have a separate revenue stream.

I'm interested to see where the R&D is headed. With all the talk of production and web-based management the DL2000 v2.0 has been on the backburner. Looking forward to see the frontier explored again!
By Lance_Lake at 2010-10-29 09:51:26 Reply
Lastly, (Sorry, on a roll with these),

"Then, you can choose to optionally but irrevocably enter the Pedigree Program."

What happens if we don't make the monthly payments? Does it then go back to the private mode and when we decide to enter it again, we start over? This seems most logical, but this makes it hard to tell if someone is new or if they let their payment lapse which may break some fair credit reporting act laws in the USA (assuming you are returning).
By dreamloverlabs at 2010-10-29 10:18:56 Reply
Not sure, we might keep the data but make it invisible until you start paying again, we don't care about the payment actually it's not a given it will be there.
By sub3604 at 2010-10-29 11:58:17 Reply
you keeping the information but making it invisible would work then all the stuff would be there if a person started paying again. I think if I end up being able to afford the DL2000 (hope so) I would probably peddigree but once the free time has expired (hopefully this would be the first year) there may be a gap between expiry and renewal and not losing my history would be a plus.

If you decide not to charge you will need a way to make the accounts invisible at will
By billone at 2010-10-30 16:30:11 Reply
Can Assignee owners be a group of women on the site?
(Trying to see how to make what is part of what can be with the device.)
[I understand fully if this is a "futures" issue.]

Can an Assignee Owner be delegated the right to designate a new Assignee Owner?

Can the Assignee Owner abdicate? If so is this noted as different than device owner revoked it?




Will there be a published API at release time, so that those of use with special needs (and skills) can write our own websites to drive it? [Your discussion of permissions sounds awkward, at least compared to my current, custom, website dealing with chastity being used now.]
and I already of
By dreamloverlabs at 2010-10-30 20:26:38 Reply
Groups are not supported.
Assignee owners can't reassign.
Assignee owners can't abdicate yet but it should be an option.
API is for creating other apps not for recreating the portal... what do you find awkward?
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