Bodyband material choice

We have already received two samples of the bodyband. Unfortunately due to the fact that it's stretchable (same material as top quality men's underwear elastic bands) the eyelets they added for us keep coming off!

The simple way to solve this is to just use non-stretchable material, however this feels a lot different (less like an expensive pair of comfy underwear, more like a regular piece of textile). The stretchable material feels really nice.

We've asked them to make another sample, adding some non-stretchable material on top of the stretchable one, sewn where the eyelets must go (tiny squares, if you can visualize that), in order to prevent that area from stretching and letting the eyelet escape.

This too did not yield satisfactory results. Our last attempt today again involved sewing bits of non-stretchable material; but this time the eyelets were pre-placed on the non-stretchable material (rather than punched through both materials) and the little square of non-stretchable material was sewn only on the left and right sides across the band's length.

This resulted in a semi-workable solution. The band will have such "patches" at several positions (our test: 2, 76, 79, 82, 85, 163, 168cm with a total length of 170cm).

The idea is to use those white plastic locks commonly used for CB type devices, and let the lock go through two of these eyelets on the patches, for instance 2 and 76 for small waist sizes, 2 and 85 for large waist sizes, and the last two holes are for different bodyband wear styles (shown on an earlier post, those that go around the neck etc). The patches will not be visible when the band is worn because they are sewn on the wearer's side.

We should receive pictures of this last attempt within an hour or so (according to them, we're keeping our fingers crossed). The next test is to verify whether this 3-layer contraption is still thin enough to slide through the holes and be mounted on a DL2000 (if not we'll just use thinner materials).

Now as we go through these complex trials, we're wondering if people wouldn't actually prefer a non-stretchable band, for security reasons. The stretchable material is actually stretchable enough for someone to remove the band if they really want. This can be prevented to some extent by stretching the band before locking it (if your waist size is large enough) - but then it would be quite tight and possibly not so comfortable.

Having tried both we can tell you that given a consensual training regimen your male is a lot better off with the stretchable band, which is comfortable enough for extended wear.

However, if most people feel more comfortable with a non-stretchable band instead, well, that makes production easier. We will update you with the photograph provided it does come tonight and provided it's not totally blurry as most manufacturer pictures tend to be before we teach them the meaning of the "flower icon" on their camera.

Comments

By Matt1961 at 2010-08-25 09:32:38 Reply

What is the point of having a locking belt when it is stretchy and can be removed when locked unless it is stretched to tight to be comfortable?

Why not just supply a stretchy band? Customers could ask on order how they intend to wear the Dreamlover and you could supply the appropriate band. Or just supply the waist band. Why would you want one around your neck anyway?

Just my thoughts.

By dreamloverlabs at 2010-08-25 09:36:07 Reply

"What is the point of having a locking belt when it is stretchy and can be removed when locked unless it is stretched to tight to be comfortable?"

Makes sense! So we're giving it a try to see exactly how uncomfortable it has to get before it's no longer easy to remove.

"Customers could ask on order how they intend to wear the Dreamlover and you could supply the appropriate band. "

The issue here is with stocking different versions. We'd like to keep things as easy as possible... otherwise we'd already have custom color, waist sizes etc... but we need to get a bit bigger before we can have different versions, it increases complexity quite a bit.

"Why would you want one around your neck anyway?"

This is somewhat of a show-off costume like thing, we thought it looked sexy :)

By BDSAMM at 2010-08-25 11:02:49 Reply

Why worry about security when all someone has to do is put an insulating material (black tape) over the scrotum electrode to make this thing totally ineffective? This will be a voluntary use device so why would someone take it off?

By dreamloverlabs at 2010-08-25 11:22:24 Reply

Precisely. The plastic lock is still a good way to secure the band; other than that with the constraints we're working with as far as the chastity devices themselves + the cabling and electrodes we shouldn't be wasting time trying to make the band "tamper proof". "Tamper evident" would be good to achieve.

By 6KGuy at 2010-08-25 21:15:59 Reply

I must say, I'm with BDSAMM. The bottom electrode is completely insecure. It's not even tamper resistant or tamper evident, so it's not a big deal that the body band is as well.

With a LITTLE work, someone could make a completely secure bottom electrode by attaching it to the "A ring" of the CB device. If someone goes to the trouble to do that, they'd likely be capable of adding a lockable belt as well.

It will be interesting to see what people come up with when they get their hands on the DL2000.

By dreamloverlabs at 2010-08-25 21:23:56 Reply

1. If you place the electrode on the ring the pulse no longer goes through the testicles, which may be better or worse depending on preference, we happen to think it's good for the pulse to traverse the entire male's genitalia for best results.

2. There are also liability concerns involved with making the device in such a way that it cannot be disconnected even in case of emergency.

3. Our take on this is that when clothes are on it will not be possible to disconnect the electrode fast enough when the zap is coming. However if a male actually tampers with the electrode before hand that will of course compromise the pulse.

4. Tamper evidence can be achieved by tying a very tiny thread around the scrotum and bottom electrode. This can be done in a variety of ways; the bottom electrode has a hole, and is L-shaped. These are things we may publish when the product is out.

5. Improvement on the electrodes may be possible when we have some cashflow and can start playing with molded metallic parts. However it seems security needs a complete re-thinking of the whole assembly including the chastity device. You can make the bottom electrode completely secure, and still if you can pull out of the CB the pulse won't be delivered.

By dreamloverlabs at 2010-08-25 21:25:07 Reply

PS: and by our own reasoning, you are completely right, we should go with comfort and not worry too much about those recalcitrant males who would try to tamper; and probably don't deserve the benefits of modern day "humane" male training technology anyway! :)

By dreamloverlabs at 2010-08-26 02:28:51 Reply

UPDATE: they did NOT send those pictures after all :) but the sample is in the mail. We'll report on it...

By slavecowie at 2010-08-26 04:31:54 Reply

Mistress response was pretty short about what should be important: 1) Looks (for Her of course), 2) security (as long as she can she there has been attempt to temper with),3) comfort (a reminder from what your positions is can not hurt, was Her response).

By smackMyNuts at 2010-08-28 19:25:05 Reply

Securing an elastic band using a plastic lock seems problematic to me. If the band has enough tension to ensure that it cannot be removed, I would think that the tension in the band would be high enough that a plastic lock would have trouble staying shut. They're not really made for high-force applications.

If, on the other hand, the band didn't have enough tension to ensure that it couldn't be removed, then the lock is irrelevant since it doesn't need to be removed.

If you want to be able to use plastic locks, I think you're better off with a non-elastic band.

I think that what I would do, given your desire to use the elastic band for comfort, though, is use an elastic band with a box-frame-style belt buckle (see wikipedia entry about "belt buckle" for a picture of the style I'm talking about) or other similar closure. Tampering with it could be prevented by having the mistress place a signed sticker over it to act as a tamper-evident seal.