Conductive rubber electrodes test

The technology in these samples is impressive. They have very low conductivity, almost metal-like. Silver nanoparticles are used. This material is utilized in airplanes and rockets. It's also very expensive. You can connect a battery on one side of the two strips and light an LED 25 cm away through the rubber. You could probably do that meters away if the sample strips were that long.

Now, though the material's great, there are many problems with these samples.

- The wire comes off easily (he didn't use conductive glue as promised)



- The magnets are too small to be effective, even neodymium ones it seems

- The conductive rubber is very conductive but it doesn't make very good contact with the skin unless it's pressed hard against it, and the magnets do not really have that strength

- The strips are too thick and wide and heavy, dimensions can change but it's very tricky because:

- The rubber is not very elastic at all, due to the fact that it contains tons of silver particles; it's already fragile as is, making it thinner will only make it more brittle.

We can change the silver content, switch to carbon, etc. but overall it seems that this "quick add-on" is going to be another manufacturing nightmare where the ingredients to make it work are all there, but from that to creating a user friendly and effective solution it will be months of trials and samples and debugging.

Also, what people generally do not consider is that a conductive rubber strip is... conductive! That means, everywhere. It won't single out one point on your skin for current flow. The electrodes can even short if they touch. In a "belt" type male chastity device it would not be trivial to keep these from touching. Likely, the strap positioned around the scrotum would also touch the penis. And in a CB type device you wouldn't want to use straps anyway.

As far as the "elastic strip" electrode type is concerned, a regular elastic band with a single metallic contact would be a lot better, all things considered. And, cheaper.

Metallic electrodes attached to the cage are still the best solution - rugged, reliable, simple to mount, unproblematic. They get the job done and have near zero resistance.

Using adhesive conductive rubber "pads" instead of the metallic electrodes seems to still hold some value because it may allow people using chastity devices without the sub-frenum hole to avoid making a hole in the device manually. This is not a huge deal now that the hole making has been tested (drill slowly with a bit that is not too sharp, that's all).

We're probably going to put the "strips" on the back burner and continue to interact with this manufacturer to see if he can create some pads firmly attached to our cables, which could be attached to polycarbonate with 3M adhesive film or simply glue.

All of this has to happen in a background process - right now the big challenges are figuring out refunds on import duties on components for re-export, payment processing, assembly and so forth. Total headache, and it involves the usual amount of begging.

Comments

By anodeuk at 2010-04-08 08:49:15 Reply

I think you are wise to avoid the rubber loop electrode approach as it is fraught with difficulty in maintaining consistent contact with the wearer's skin. Indeed, unless you use some form of spring-loading, I have some reservations about this being possible at all times even with metal electrodes.



Since some of your (excellent) proposed pulse features will operate regardless of the recipient's orientation or current state of arousal, you will need to ensure good contact is maintained to avoid either no effect or a distinct burning sensation. Which of these is worse depends perhaps on whose perspective applies!



I speak as a knowledgeable user of various CBs and electric devices.



Might I suggest you consider affixing the DreamLover wires directly to a Rimba bi-polar cockring. This combination would solve many of these issues.



If you feel that it is important to have a direct penis contact, rather than just stimulation of the same nerves where they pass through the root, then you could combine a monopolar base ring with your spring-loaded metal one.

By dreamloverlabs at 2010-04-08 08:56:55 Reply

Not sure what you mean by spring loaded?

The rimba is 52 dollars, you can pull the cables out easily and doesn't allow current to flow through the length of the penis. The sensation is very different depending on how current flows.



The design is interesting though (overmold with silicone and conductive rubber). Agreed that strips are very difficult. For now it seems the metal attachments are the best way!

By anodeuk at 2010-04-09 07:37:03 Reply

Your DreamLover device is a brilliant concept that fills a gap in the market. With the current design, timescale etc, metal electrodes are the best answer as you say. To clarify my comments about spring-loaded etc:



As there遯ｶ蜀ｱ few pictures of the electrodes, my thoughts related to the conflicting requirements of good contact versus ease of member insertion and the possibility of poor contact when fully flaccid and/or lying one one遯ｶ蜀ｱ front. I遯ｶ蜀ｦ sure your trials will solve these.



The price for the Rimba rings is for a retail boxed set of 2, with leads P+P etc but my concept was related more to you buying them in bulk and perhaps supplying them fitted to an alternative version of your device, possibly once the main model has become established and profitable.



While it would require some (expensive) retooling, you could envisage a DreamLover model with TENS pin outputs from the main body that plug directly (and permanently?) into the lug on the Rimba ring and use that lug as the device mount. The assembled combination cannot be removed as it is locked in place by the cage to which it is also fixed by your spacer tab. The short length of the latter would prevent the pins from being surreptitiously pulled free.



I take your point about the sensations from different current paths but, if you haven遯ｶ蜀ｲ already, do try these rings. The sensations can be just as strong and effective and you遯ｶ蜀ｳe pretty much guaranteed good contact in all states of arousal. All the best.